I'm still with you all. As I said before, I'm working in Kansas City for a while. Guess I'll be there for a while. Am finishing a fireplace with a custom wood front. Friday she changed her mind, and now I have to almost start over with a different design. I also have to do a bookshelf thats 15' long. This will be my first attempt at this kind of monster. Talk to you next week-end, Ron J.